Unmasking Authenticity | Overcoming Insecurity To Be Seen

In this episode, we delve into how masking, people-pleasing, insecurity, and shame can keep us from being our authentic selves. Discover the tiny actionable steps—what we call 'tiny reps'—that help you build real authenticity without overwhelming your life. This candid mental health podcast emphasizes vulnerability, boundaries, and self-worth—no platitudes, just real-life experiences shared openly.

We explore why we often feel the need to hide for safety, the true cost of constantly being in 'performance mode', and introduce micro-honesty practices—small yet impactful ways you can start showing up as your true self today.

We cover important topics like: 

• Understanding the roots of our tendency to hide, including shame and old rules of safety
• Identifying the cost of living in performance mode and learning how to spot it
• Implementing micro-honesty techniques to embrace authenticity in your daily life
• Setting boundaries that empower you without causing backlash later

Join us in this journey towards uncovering the layers hindering our self-expression and explore strategies to embrace authenticity.

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Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! is a candid mental health podcast with lived experience—schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia spectrum psychosis, BPD, PTSD, trauma recovery, coping skills, and dark humor that fights stigma.

Hosted by Nicholas Wichman (“The DEFECTIVE Schizoaffective”) with frequent co-host Tony Medeiros, ("IndyPocket"), we talk serious mental illness, psych wards, religious trauma, bad therapy, meds, disability, and messy real-world coping.

New episodes drop every other Monday at 6am ET.

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Podcast cover art by Ryan Manning

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:11

Stop even let me. You know, I got friends.

SPEAKER_01: 0:16

Admittedly, guys, we're a little pissed off. Um, yeah, there's some rage. We we record an entire episode on iMac. I'm gonna name drop that piece of shit company. Thanks for Steve Jobs. Rotten hell.

SPEAKER_00: 0:32

Steve Blowjob. I hope he's dead. Suck on the devil's neck, dude. Is he dead? He is. He's very dead. He's been dead for a long time. Oh quality episode we got so far, folks.

SPEAKER_01: 0:46

Okay, let's let's jump to the chase here. We're already minute in here. Um so anger, yeah, anger. Fuck. We'll be saving the anger episode because we we poured a lot out in it and we just can't do it again today. So this time we're gonna talk about the masks that holding all of the anger in. Holding all well, yeah, part of it, yeah. Um I'm gonna say that's not a factor. Um so, like we like to say, don't be psycho. That's actually not what we say, but don't, don't do it. Uh we have our own phrase, but you should say, yeah. Um this is uh made by my friend Mr. Ray Ray. Ryan Manning. Um, he made that many years ago for me as like a birthday gift. None of that's traced. He did that all by hand, so amazing artist. We'll probably be doing the artwork for our channel.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40

It's the perfect birthday gift gift for somebody with mental health issues.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44

Yeah, what a dick. What are you trying to say? Ryan comparing me to like freaking uh uh Patrick Dayton. I've never had sex with a headless no, a head. What? It wasn't headless, it was a it was a head. We're a little loony tonight. This episode the last episode started off a little bit more chill. Um boy sorry, we're pissed. We're pissed. Um anyway. So the mask that we put on. Um ultimately, uh, like that dark kind of humor that's probably not funny to anybody but me, and maybe not even him, probably him, I don't know. Oh, it is a form of masking. Um one thing that's been so difficult in my life has been masking my symptoms and to fit in with the normies. To fit in with the nor yeah, the normies. Um it is not easy, it takes um a ton of energy, a ton of practice, um, and it is not something that is always beneficial for for you to do.

SPEAKER_00: 2:47

And what's funny, and and why this episode has come about is because you brought up masking in another um in a TikTok video. And I wrote to him immediately, and I'm like, dude, everyone masks. Everyone.

SPEAKER_01: 3:03

I didn't even take that approach with it, but he's absolutely right.

SPEAKER_00: 3:07

But we all do, and sometimes it's a part of healthy mental health, you know, whether it allows you to be in social situations and not uh feel uh prying eyes looking at you, yeah. Or, you know, those of us that have any insecurities whatsoever, sure, we just mask it. We pretend not that it's not there. I mean, very different applications, but it's interesting across the board, everyone masks.

SPEAKER_01: 3:39

Yeah, we we really all do. Um, and I could say from my perspective that it's it's been a benefit for a majority of the time. I mean, it's detrimental to me as far as fucking soul crushing practically. I mean, it takes a lot of energy. It takes a lot of energy, and I'll tell you what, as I get older, I'm 31 now. Um, I'm turning 32 next month. I know. One year closer to death is what I like to say. Let me call Social Security. Um, but it it's not getting any easier, and it takes more and more energy as I get older and it's more tiring, and I know it's more wearing on those around me, too. I mean, it just is what it is. Um, but the reason it's been helpful is because I mean in society, people, I'll tell you what, nobody would know I had it. I didn't. How long did I teach you?

SPEAKER_00: 4:31

You taught me for 10 years solidly, yeah. Ten years, week after week, this kid would come in mostly having his lesson learned. Mostly. Uh mostly. But they mostly come in now. Honestly, it wasn't until we had a conversation, and and you really you sat me down and you told me about it, and I'm like, nah, you fucking with me, right?

SPEAKER_01: 4:55

Yeah, I mean, definitely, yeah. And early on in the lessons with him, he was working for an actual like company, a lessons company.

SPEAKER_00: 5:03

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 5:04

And um, I took him there first. And I started out at a half hour, and he went, I went pretty quick to an hour. And then during that time, is actually when I started struggling a lot with like that's around the time I actually told my mom about it the first time. It would have been right around that. Um, and uh drumming didn't truly become the therapeutic device it is now until about a year into it. But what I'm saying with that is um, you know, I would miss lessons at times. I would. And uh it was not because of I didn't want to be there, it wasn't because I wasn't dedicated. I'd hopefully I'd been one of your most dedicated.

SPEAKER_00: 5:39

I loved when you showed up for lessons. I certainly um never, I mean, you were not you were very dedicated, you were very much interested in the topic itself. Um did you show up with the most talent of anyone who ever just showed up and just started playing? No, but you worked your butt off and you surpassed even those kids. So, I mean, you had my respect, but I remember when you told me, I mean, we were you were we were standing in the studio.

SPEAKER_02: 6:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 6:13

Yep, and and he levied this bomb on me. And I'm like, who the fush? I have a habit of doing to people, who the fuck is this guy?

SPEAKER_01: 6:23

Uh yeah, I have a habit of just I don't know how to ease somebody into that. Like I said in the first episode, uh told my wife that on the second date. I mean, I just don't know how to ease people into it. And you're either I'm kind of an extremes kind of guy. Ten years is probably easing. Yeah, but I didn't like say, oh, uh, I'm gonna tell you so, you know, it was just like Tony, I gotta tell you something. I'm fucking schizophrenic. I don't remember exactly how the conversation went.

SPEAKER_00: 6:47

It was very similar to that. And I said, Really? So you see shit? And he was like, Yeah, and I was like, What are you seeing right now? And he started telling me, and I'm like, whoa.

SPEAKER_01: 6:58

Yeah. Um Heavy. Oddly enough, I'm actually comfortable talking about the visual hallucinations. I'm not so much about the the auditory, which that's a whole other episode. I'll get into that. But the whole point of masking, it has been helpful in that people don't overtly judge me because of my symptoms. Um, people don't notice that, oh, that there's something weird about that guy, other than maybe my humor at times or my demeanor, which is not related to that. It's just honestly a coping mechanism. Um, I try to find humor in everything. I always say, if you don't laugh, you'll cry. For sure. And I'm a full believer in that. But the detrimental side of doing that, I'll tell you what, is that because nobody knows, A, you don't really get the support from those external to your close-knit group. Right. And also, if you do have a breakdown, people are like, where the hell did that? What the hell is wrong with this guy? It seems like it comes out of left field. It does. And like this last job I had, and actually, I will say every job I've ever had, I have I've never been fired due to this at all, and I've always given a notice. But I will tell you that um every job I've had, I've had to leave due to relapsing from this. It's never been anything other than that. I also tried to go to school. I tried college three times, and I was very successful as a student, but again, it just it hit you out of left field, and um still, I'm sure many people wonder why I left those jobs. They don't actually know. Um, but it's hard to be open with this sort of thing in society because of the stigma that goes with it. A huge um topic of our channel is going to be demystifying and rebranding and re- and transforming the stigma. Um wouldn't that be awesome?

SPEAKER_00: 8:44

We can rebrand mental health. Yeah, well, that's probably a bad term. But like that is No, no, I mean, I I think it's actually not to divert too far, but I think it's actually a really good way to frame it. Because I mean, if you look back, profits or possessed or whatever was associated with, and then we're like, well, we don't know what to do with them, so we're just gonna throw them somewhere in a locked building and just not talk about it. Um Yeah, and I mean that's the thing is so I think I think there's already a little bit of a rebranding going on, but the idea of the thing. Do you ever think we're doing that to ourselves? What?

SPEAKER_01: 9:27

Like the mentally ill, like I am. I'm almost locking myself away so that society doesn't have to deal with me.

SPEAKER_00: 9:33

Well, I mean, even asking it's that's what I'm saying. Some I mean, I know when I worked in autism, a lot of them immerse themselves in you know, a specific obsession, what it was what it looks like to everyone else. But a lot of it is just to not have to listen to the noise outside. Right. And so, yeah, there is there is an aspect of it that there is some some self-what's the self-imprisonment, honestly.

SPEAKER_01: 10:03

I hate to use that term. That's why I kind of feel mad.

SPEAKER_00: 10:06

What are they I can't think of the word exile, self-expression.

SPEAKER_01: 10:10

Oh, yeah, okay. Good word, good word, yeah. Self-exile. Yeah, and you know, like I said, it's it's beneficial and sometimes most, you know, not really to yourself, it's not beneficial to society, it is, if you want to look at it.

SPEAKER_00: 10:21

So so talk and and I told you up front, like I'm not sure how much I can add to masking other than to give a a different perspective. But uh talk to us a little bit about uh what masking feels like uh to you. How heavy is that? How hard is it? How demoralizing is it to be in a social situation that you're enjoying yourself and then suddenly you start to feel the mask slip.

SPEAKER_01: 10:54

It's uh it's uh really, really freaking hard. Um I mean, I don't I think if most of you watching me right now probably wouldn't think I'm fully symptomatic right now, but I am. I'm hearing voices and seeing hallucinations. Um it's just been, you know, 15 years of therapy, and I've done extensive group therapy, I've done one-on-one therapy for 20 years. I mean, it's it's non-stop, guys, and you never heal from it. I'm going to be symptomatic my entire life. Um, there's there's I'm fully real about that, and I'm not expecting any miracle cure. Um, but the thing is, is that it it is um demoralizing to feel like you're not gonna be welcome in society if you are exactly what you are. Now, I will say there is something to coping by putting on the mask, so you don't necessarily embrace those demons fully. I mean, there is a balance, but unfortunately, you can't let any of it show out there. And if you do, I mean, gosh, you'll they'll commit you. I mean, you never know. And I don't mean to sound so down on society about it, but from my perspective, I don't it's hard.

SPEAKER_00: 12:11

Well, and I was even gonna put it in the you know, neurotypical vernacular of okay, so all of us are, you know, what we consider to be real people in our everyday life. But if you work in a corporate situation, you know that you can't just show up and be that person with that brand of humor, with that, you know certain traits, like if you're a little more like uh headstrong or whatever, you know that you have to think about a political landscape in um in a corporate setting. Yeah. In well, in all workplaces. I mean, especially as you know, huh, HR. Yeah. You gotta think about HR pretty much anywhere you work anymore, uh, to you know, the two of us just sitting around shooting the shit and having fun.

SPEAKER_01: 13:12

Which we did when we worked together. I mean, we said outlandish shit, and yeah, but we were in a but we were in a we were in a psych hospital, though. So yeah, that's we we probably we were just as due to be there as anybody else.

SPEAKER_00: 13:24

But but that's our way of coping with the extreme level of right, you know, uh disparity and but but getting putting putting uh let's so if the bar is said here, you know, a neurotypical who's themselves in in their everyday life goes to work, you have to sort of cater who you are in that situation. And usually, I know, I mean, me speaking from personal experience, when I leave work, first thing I do is shed that. I I I don't want to be proper and I don't want to be, you know, just like polite and in the box and by yourself. So everyone take take note of that, what that would feel like as a neurotypical, and then what what goes beyond in in trying to manage symptoms, trying to navigate social situations?

SPEAKER_01: 14:22

I mean I mean that's the thing, is that uh I can tell you my regimen every day, like when I get up, which I'm lucky to get four to five hours of sleep these days. I mean, it's nothing to do with anything in life. Honestly, it's not even my son. I mean, he sleeps through the night, he's a blessing in every way. But unfortunately, I really don't get much sleep. But when I wake up for the day, I honestly have to tell my wife, you gotta give me at least 30 minutes of alone time so that I can process, I can get my because when I wake up, the first thing I experience is my voices screaming at me, bloody murder, and my hallucinations are right there. And it takes a good 30 to 45 minutes for things just to get the fuck out of the way. And once that's ready, then I have to kind of be like, I have to kind of okay, all right, let's let's get moving. And it takes a lot of effort to get out of bed. Um, plus, you know, I told you guys I got that bipolar side of things too. So if I'm in a depressive state, ugh. Tell you what. And then of course, manic is not fun either, um, because you can't calm down. I mean, so do you get less, even less sleep then in manic phase? Manic, I I I'm lucky to get any. When I'm in a true manic phase, I I can be up 24 or 36 hours. Like when Max was first born, I went stage, I went two days at times, and I wouldn't even crash after that, by the way. It's not like I had you know, I'd be up two days and then sleep for 20. It was like up for two days and then sleep six if I was lucky. So and by the way, I've always been a person that needed like 10 to 12 hours of sleep a day. Um, so it's polar. How's that going for you? You know what's weird is I've actually managed it pretty well, I feel like. Uh maybe from the outside, but I would say overall for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 16:06

But uh really, if you had never told me, I have not been until more recently in your inner circle of hanging out and spending a lot of time together. And even in the time that I've spent with you, we've spent more time laughing.

SPEAKER_01: 16:27

Yeah. Then but again, it's that is and I I I genuinely laugh a lot. I do, but admittedly, that is a um what do they call it deflecting? It is. I mean, you're not and I'm actually it's kind of a man, it's a contradictory because I'm actually somebody who's quite a vulnerable person and willing to share a lot, but at the same time, I sometimes just want to freaking laugh about shit. And I'm very self-deprecating with my humor, and I think a lot of people are. I think it works for us. Yeah, I mean it does, and you get ruthless with yourself. Um, I mean, but and one thing I do share, and it's not always easy for people to hear, is that um I think between everybody in my inner circle, Tony, my wife, my parents, um, you all probably know 95% of what goes on in this head. There is a 5%, and that includes my therapist, by the way. There is 5% or so. And that I'm not gonna get into detail of that, because that's the 5% nobody's gonna know but me. And again, I think you and I talk that everybody has things that they think about or crazy thoughts that go through their head that you're just not willing to share with anybody, right? True. And that's anybody, by the way. I mean, there's some weird things that go through your head. Now, mine's pretty, you know, whatever extreme, probably more than most. And um I don't feel comfortable sharing that with literally anybody, and I don't want anybody to hold that against me. It's just, gosh, I'm not sure that I'm not sure that uh anybody in this planet needs to hear fully, but that's again masking. That is a level of masking that will never come down because of what I have. Not even Tony and I here get into some pretty dark, depraved, weird humor. I still don't feel comfortable sharing everything.

SPEAKER_00: 18:20

So just go with me. Weird segue. But you're talking about that 5%. Does any of that 5% show up in the screenplay you wrote?

SPEAKER_01: 18:42

I'm surprised you brought that up. I'm actually glad. There's a screenplay I wrote, actually, probably about 10 years ago now. And it's good. It was it was really good. I was proud of it. Um good. It's very dark, and it has not getting too much detail about it, I might put it out there at some point. But um it was a very vulnerable screenplay, very dark. Not things I would necessarily do, but you could say that there were some things that were darker in it that probably would spawn out of that 5%.

SPEAKER_00: 19:12

So the thing I think I was sort of expressing your art well reaching for is exactly that. There there are safe places we can put things like that. I know as a musician, as a writer, I can say some more risque things in songs than I could just you know hop into a party and go, hey guys, what do you think of this? Um but I I I wonder, is that why we is that why we pay the price of admission? Is why we go see Slipknot or Alice Cooper or Saw or because we have that dark side that we don't want to share, but experience in a way. And it's like it's so weird because as I'm like deconstru or constructing this whole model, it's like we literally take off the mask and we lower the lights. And hide in our own depravity, we watch the show and say that's not us, but but it is us, and it's why we connect with that on a good level. That was freaking good.

SPEAKER_01: 20:24

Yeah, we had no idea where this was going. No, I I kind of had a general thing, and this is what it turned into. Pretty good stuff. Winging this shit. But you know, so yeah. Um, so anyway, you know, that's essentially the the the shtick of the episode. Um is just the the masks that we all have to wear, and especially the mentally ill. Um, you know, we we might touch on, you know, why society looks at us this way, or um, how we can adjust society's thinking in future episodes.

SPEAKER_00: 20:56

Well, and okay, so you're talking about rebranding. Um how far do you think we can go with that with regard to how heavily you have to fortify the mask you wear? I mean, how because people are still I mean, you go to the mall, people dress up, people hang in clicks, and people act certain ways and you know, take on a persona a lot of that's masking. Sure. What I mean, how much how far does all of society have to go with that? And how far do you think like would in a completely new situation that you don't really know anybody would you feel comfortable? I mean, I don't know how it would represent that you could let down this mask, but would you be able to find comfort in being in a social situation or would you be terrified?

SPEAKER_01: 22:04

The way society is right now, and if I didn't have the family and friends that I grew up with that were always supportive and understood where I came from, I wouldn't. I would not do that.

SPEAKER_00: 22:15

And have have we covered like the things you see so people can understand like literally what you're masking? Yeah, I mean I mean, I know you said you don't want to go into the visual hallucinations.

SPEAKER_01: 22:28

Audio. The visual hallucinations I see are basically pale, white, faceless men, and they are men. I mean, it's key because of the way what it is is they um murder each other in the most vicious, violent, gory, bloody ways possible. And um, I mean, they'll do it around the room. Um and uh it's honestly that's not near as difficult to deal with as the the voices because the voices are so much more personal. Um I mean you feel like they penetrate further in absolutely they do because I'll tell you what, like interesting, you know, I like I've always said, I mean, picture your Saul movies, picture your hostile, you know, I don't know what the hell y'all are watching, or even me. Picture your most depraved, dark, gory, bloody shit, and I see that probably times ten. But that's never bothered me, honestly. I mean, younger it did, of course, growing up, and my my hallucinations did change through the years. Um, it wasn't always the violence, and that's probably another thing is what fed into create making them into what they are. Um, that's an episode in itself, or at least a TikTok. But um, the voices, what I like to share about it is pretty vague. Uh they're very dark, um, often very violent. Um, and uh again, just as and they're very self-deprecating. Um, they're never kind. And it's 24-7. And it's 24-7, so and they range anywhere from whispers to screams, but kind of all at the same time. Um, kind of dimented, um, high pitch, low pitch. I mean, it's all over the place. Um, and then if I'm in a depressive state, they're much worse. The mania, it's almost like I can put them aside more because my mind is so active that honestly that takes over more. Um more laser focused with your like. Which is still uncomfortable as hell. But what's funny is like drumming with like the flow state we talked about. That's good time to be manic. Well, yeah, you can get a lot of stuff done. But when you when I hit flow state, you said like you mentioned, uh, you don't hear your inner voices. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 24:42

Yeah. The the insecurities, the the voice that says, uh, you're you're fat and old and ugly and bald, and you know, those things, uh all the all of my personal insecurities melt away.

SPEAKER_01: 24:55

And so And what's interesting is that, and I'm I did a TikTok on this, I've not posted it yet, but I'm going to. Is uh I know, spoiler alert. Um, it's actually one on um the inner voice we hear, and the uh external voices I hear, I guess I don't know how else to say that. But uh it's how the inner voice is actually way more difficult to handle than the external voices. I mean, combined, they're worse, but it's the inner voice that kicks all of our asses, right? Yeah. We all have that. But like I said, when I hit flow state on the drums, both.

SPEAKER_00: 25:28

So are you saying that some of the auditory is your voice?

SPEAKER_01: 25:34

No, it's it's never my voice, it's never somebody I know. Those are the external voices. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. But you the inner voices I definitely have my own. That is deprecated. Self-deprecating as well. Certainly the external or the other voices uh uh contribute to that. Wow. Um, but you know, we all have that inner voice that's always self-deprecating. And you know, I'm I uh I remember we'll run we'll wrap this up pretty quick, but I remember uh my dad talking about because he worked at uh at a mental health clubhouse for many years and he talked house. Yeah, it's like an adult and child was the clubhouse. Oh, I got you. Okay, and of course, due to defunding, they had to close like anything else. Um, but he mentioned a guy there that actually had positive voices. And I wasn't hearing about that very often. I was like, I don't know if I'd want that either. Like, oh, you're doing great. Keep up the good work, buddy. I'd be like, shut the f God, gosh darn it. People like you. People like you. What's your quit talking to yourself? I'm like, come on. Okay, that's a joke. But I mean, that was real, but I I don't like this either. There was also a person there that used to hallucinate people having sex all over the place.

SPEAKER_00: 26:48

I don't need to see more of that. No, but like, I don't know if you've met anybody. No, I I mean we have had several people come through that were hyper hypersexual, but yeah, no, nobody's ever talked about like all I see is an orgy all around me.

SPEAKER_01: 27:03

Yeah, and he he had a patient who did, and he said that he'd be in groups, and it's like and honestly, uh, he just let him do it. My my dad would run the groups and be like, you know what, he's he's happy, he's doing okay over there. You know, I honestly I wouldn't want to see that all the time either. Can you imagine how desensitized you'd be to that too? Anyway, that was a bit of a tangent, but just kind of a clean up an aisle seven.

SPEAKER_02: 27:31

Come everywhere.

SPEAKER_01: 27:33

Anyway, um anyway, I think that's the key. Windshoepers and um, but I think uh that's probably a good thing to talk about with the masking and at least how it affects me. Um we would love it if people would write in. Um I know this thing's just getting off the ground, but we don't get anywhere without you know contributions from all you guys, mentally ill or not.

SPEAKER_00: 27:58

Um and a big and a big focus of what the whole channel is about is starting the conversation. Absolutely you cannot normalize something, you cannot demystify or rebrand as you say, come out of your closet. Check the other episode. First episode, yeah. You can't do any of those things if there's not community being built. Yeah. There there has to be a community. So yeah, please write in. Please get involved.

SPEAKER_01: 28:26

Um I mean, we're we'll be we'll be doing in interviews um with people who want to. Yeah, we hope to anyway. Um, I've got a couple friends who have their own struggles who are wanting to be on here, and um nobody's you know off limits. We want to get every anybody and everybody. And exactly. Neurodivergent and neurotypsy. We all uh have a voice in this. We're all got struggles, and it's all this is a crazy world, guys.

SPEAKER_00: 28:48

And if we bring this if we bring the perspectives together, I think we'll start to see an overlap in in the spectrum of experience.

SPEAKER_01: 28:59

Exactly. And the last thing I want to end with is that the reason that I came up with this idea, I'm being incredibly yeah, I'm psycho. The reason that I essentially came up with this idea is I hit rock bottom, like I talked about, I think, in the first episode, and I'll cover that more later. But I hit rock bottom and I built myself back up being overly assertive about everything. And I kind of hit me that you know, nobody out there is really talking about this. People talk about it, like there's great podcasts about it, but not the vulnerability and to the depth and to the detail that I'm willing to do.

SPEAKER_00: 29:35

And admittedly, you're not gonna get any of that science or research bullshit on this channel.

SPEAKER_01: 29:41

No, I mean it's more about the personal perspective on both of our sides. You've got somebody who's educated in mental illness and also, you know, work. Sorry, you know, educated page and macayed and mental health. Um, but then you've got me who experiences it to a pain every day. So that's what you're gonna get here, guys. I'm gonna bear uh bear it all. And I want you hopefully not to judge, but to um feel open, sharing, and being vulnerable with me. So our email is uh beat the mental health out of it. At gmail.com. It's all one word. Please feel free to email at any time. Anything questions you have for Tony, I can forward them to him. And then you can follow all my social medias or at BeatTheMental Health Out of It. My TikTok is Beat Mental Health Out of It because that was too many words for the too many characters. But I'll be doing individual posts on there about mental illness. Oppression.

SPEAKER_00: 30:34

Oppression.

SPEAKER_01: 30:35

And uh, you know, I'll be doing some drum covers and things like that too in the following weeks. And this man here is at Indy Pocket. Um, he'll be doing some hopefully drumming educational stuff and maybe his own um take on mental illness, or you know, you never know.

SPEAKER_00: 30:47

I might have to speak on a few wild man here.

SPEAKER_01: 30:50

Anyway, thanks for stopping by, guys. This has Beat the Mental Health Out of It.